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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:05:00 -
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To quote myself from the previous Somer thread:
"Jesus christ CCP, what were you thinking."
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2400
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:08:00 -
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Red Templar wrote:If this is supposed to be the rewards for community service, why does community is not being informed?
Running a highly profitable business is not 'community service', its a highly profitable business.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2403
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:22:00 -
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In a previous thread I said, mostly in jest, that T20's actions in spawning T2 BPOs for his chosen favourites, previously assumed to be a serious breach of the sandbox, have instead now been adopted as official CCP policy. It seems that my comments were spot on.
I await a response from the CSM and CCP eagerly.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:"Goons are mad about something, clearly I should take the opposite position even though on principle I'd probably agree otherwise."
You could make a comment about how drinking bleach is bad for you with a Goonswarm Federation tag and you'd get 20 pubbies falling over each other to post the opposite.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2410
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:45:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't.
Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps.
It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2410
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Posted - 2013.10.05 10:51:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:Sigh, I even had to change my 1.5 year old signature for this.
Y u do this ccp.
hi5 changed signature buddy
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2413
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Posted - 2013.10.05 11:23:00 -
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Kate stark wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Transparency in decision making keeps community aware about the reasons and justifications behind the end result. Secrecy doesn't. Funnily enough we've had open and public favouritism towards Somer Blink (the gifting of the unique hulls and Fanfest trips as lottery prizes) and now it seems also the covert secret favouritism in granting their staff free limited edition Ishukone Scorps. It seems the one constant in all of this is CCP repeatedly spawning profitable items for one specific player organisation at the expense of the others. i don't really see an issue with ccp giving blink prizes to raffle off or whatever; i think it's an interesting way to get things out to the community. however from what i can tell these scorpions weren't given to them as raffle prizes but rather as a "hey buddy, have something nobody else has because you're our favourites" and that is, in my opinion, wrong. unless i'm missing something here.
1. The lottery prizes were given out with no oversight whatsoever and accompanied by CCP staff posting vouches for Somer's trustworthiness that they had no way of verifying or enforcing.
2. Somer is a business, not a charity. 'Giving Somer prizes to raffle off' still resulted in a massive upsurge of revenue to Somer from increased player interest. Some of that traffic will inevitably have been taken from other competing lottery providers. For CCP to be picking winners and losers for player driven events and businesses ("We're going to make Somer more money this week at the expense of their competitors, just because we can!") is an unacceptable intrusion into the sandbox.
3. We now see that Somer has apparently been chosen as CCP's favourites for valuable giveaways on two occasions in quick succession. Once was bad enough but could conceivably be explained away as a genuine lapse in judgement. But for them to be singled out for special treatment twice? That stinks.
CCP: Not out to ruin your game, out to ruin their game. |
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2422
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:06:00 -
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Kelby wrote:Abdiel Kavash wrote:Can somebody please explain how this is not literally the same as T20? I'm guessing because this is sanctioned unlike the T20 incident.
Yes. The T20 incident was the action of a rogue employee acting behind the backs of his colleagues.
This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:26:00 -
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Varius Xeral wrote:Can't believe I'm saying this: unless this policy of in-game rewards is reversed, I'm letting my sub lapse at the end of the month.
I literally never imagined I would be one of ~those~ people, yet here I am. Well done, CCP.
CCP have railroaded themselves into a lose-lose position here. Either they carry on with the promotional giveaways, spawning more and more unique and limited edition hulls and giving away more and more Fanfest trips (and having to arbitrarily decide each time which players and organisations have generated sufficient GTC sales community content to be granted favoured status, or they stop the promotion now and deny anyone else the opportunity to level the playing field with similar rewards to those which Somer have already received.
The response on Monday to this train wreck of corporate policy will be morbidly fascinating.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2424
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Posted - 2013.10.05 14:39:00 -
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Koby Botick wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote:This appears to be further confirmation that T20s historical actions are now official, sanctioned CCP policy. No not official. CCP does not endorse officially. That's why they are supposed to keep this silent and under the radar.
The Ishukone Scorpion giveaway, if verified, was covert and unofficial. The Guardian-Vexors and Gold Magnates, later switched to enhanced SOE ships and Fanfest trips, were proudly announced in public statements by CCP.
On both occasions the same player-group benefitted, which only leaves it to be confirmed - is it CCP's policy to play favourites with Somer Blink and Somer Blink only, or will they be providing similar benefits to any and all 'content generators' within Eve?
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2449
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Posted - 2013.10.06 08:04:00 -
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Bruce Kemp wrote:So CCP when am i receiving my 30 Ishukone Scorpions?
How many GTC sales have you generated?
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2452
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:04:00 -
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Ariel Dawn wrote:What other people/sites have received special limited edition items outside of SOMER Blink by the way?
Band of Brothers received some valuable and limited edition items once.
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2454
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:29:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:There are thousands of things in game that can be sold for billions of ISK, and a not insignificant number of them were handed out by CCP as prizes or otherwise, each worth 10's of billions, and unlike the IS Scorp alot of them actually could be useful in game if people chose to use them.
How many of them were handed out in secret for no other reason than 'we like you guys'?
You do understand the difference between being publicly given a valuable item as a prize for winning the Alliance Tournament, and being given a valuable item under the table because CCP Navigator has decided that you're one of the cool kids? Don't you?
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2455
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Posted - 2013.10.06 12:36:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Again, bolded and underlined the important bit. CCP may give things to people who earn it, like lets say.....the workers at sommer blink?
I like that you agree that nothing has changed, because looking at some of the raging in this thread, you would assume that the sun was never going to rise again all over New Eden! However as regards to what should and should not be, I'll have to check the Eve rule book and see if there is a chapter listing what should and should not be. However before I do check I'm already pretty sure it'll say something like, if CCP wants to, then they can.
The workers at sommer worked hard, and got a little reward. Good for them. I will still continue to undock.
I'm sure the people who run BIG lottery, Eve-Bet, etc work very hard as well. By what criteria did CCP Navigator decide that Somer were his chosen winners and their competitors the losers?
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GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
2464
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Posted - 2013.10.07 18:14:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:this current business with the PR department giving player entities ridiculous sums of money is grotesque enough to convince me to find my password and post, because its so intrinsically antithetical to the notion of a genuine player led sandbox without overt CCP interference.)
I just +repped a Jade Constantine post and it didn't hurt a bit.
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